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Post by Ladyfingers on Nov 27, 2021 6:36:31 GMT
There's one of these at a recycled shop in town. Denon DP-1800 with a solid marble plinth. I tried to pick it up in the shop and it weighs a tonne. That marble plinth. Oh baby. I dont need a new record player. But damn that is sexy. Googled marble plinths and the jury seems out whether they provide much more of a vibration dampening effect than wood. Maybe a bit gimmicky but.... holy shit *edit just googled it: 16.5 kg Or just buy a slab of rock and put a normal record player on it.
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Post by Dr W.F.T Blundershart III on Nov 27, 2021 7:45:43 GMT
Thought the walls would be lined with racks of your humungous dvd collection The Vic On The Pick:
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Post by Ladyfingers on Nov 28, 2021 15:11:18 GMT
My collection of movies is all shelled and in flat sleeves in trunks under my sofa. I keep all the artwork and the special cases, but the basic plastic cases get chucked. Same with music CDs, I wouldn't have room to move in my apartment if I kept the cases.
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Post by Ladyfingers on Nov 29, 2021 1:45:51 GMT
A snip at $450,000.
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Post by Dr W.F.T Blundershart III on Nov 29, 2021 2:12:44 GMT
A snip at $450,000. LOL at the digitised tracking readout of 33.33. At that price it should be COMPLETELY superfluous. If the little cunt ever read any other number you'd have a fucking heart attack. I don't understand the 2 tonearms thing.
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Post by Ladyfingers on Nov 29, 2021 2:25:19 GMT
I suppose the two tonearms are so you can have a choice between your favourites for difference kinds of music.
I've often wondered why someone doesn't make a deck with a tonearm long enough so there's almost no different in angle between the inner and outer groove.
Anyway, nearly ever record pressed since the '70s has had an 8-bit digital delay on the cutting lathe, so really a record since that era is like a scan of a printout of a digital photo. Most of the new stuff is recorded and mastered digitally, so you might as well play the actual digital files. Vinyl's principal advantage is that it doesn't really allow the brickwall limiting that's crushed the dynamics of modern music. A lot of my music collecting these days is tracking down original CD issues of post-punk and '80s pop, and if you level match it with modern masterings it's pretty insane how bad quality has gotten.
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Post by Ladyfingers on Nov 29, 2021 2:38:11 GMT
I've often wondered why someone doesn't make a deck with a tonearm long enough so there's almost no different in angle between the inner and outer groove. Googling "long tonearm" yielded some results.
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Post by Dr W.F.T Blundershart III on Nov 29, 2021 2:46:06 GMT
Yeah the audiotosspots do say the longer the tonearm the better, and tracks at the end of the side can get a bit henky with stumpy tonearms, but Jeeeezus, calibrating the counterweights to balance those mentally long tonearms would drive you insane.
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Post by Ladyfingers on Nov 29, 2021 2:51:54 GMT
I recall someone making a laser turntable that was essentially perfect except for dust noise being like a cannon going off. I wonder if there's a device that vacuums the records as you play them.
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Post by Ladyfingers on Nov 29, 2021 2:58:35 GMT
One of the things I'd love to hear is the Thigpen rotary subwoofer. Instead of a piston driver it's a fan that wobbles the angle of its blades to push air in and out of a room. Apparently no struggle producing bass below 5 Hz. Problem is that it needs a room just as big on the other side to absorb the rearward compression/rarefaction. I read a review by a guy who set it up in his basement and just fired the backblast outdoors. Walked outside later and all the neighbours were on the street in their pyjamas looking at the sky for the source of the rumbles.
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Post by Ladyfingers on Nov 29, 2021 3:52:50 GMT
The other thing I'd really like to hear is one of the new-ish NAD PCM-PWM amps. No analogue signal anywhere in the chain, sends an extremely fine PWM digital signal straight to the speakers. Zero noise, since the signal is entirely binary in nature. I'd love to hear a top-flight digitally-recorded Deutsche Grammophon symphony through one.
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Post by Dr W.F.T Blundershart III on Nov 29, 2021 8:40:47 GMT
One of the things I'd love to hear is the Thigpen rotary subwoofer. Instead of a piston driver it's a fan that wobbles the angle of its blades to push air in and out of a room. Apparently no struggle producing bass below 5 Hz. Problem is that it needs a room just as big on the other side to absorb the rearward compression/rarefaction. I read a review by a guy who set it up in his basement and just fired the backblast outdoors. Walked outside later and all the neighbours were on the street in their pyjamas looking at the sky for the source of the rumbles. That is so mental Sound is so mental Would love a go in one of these:
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Post by Dr W.F.T Blundershart III on Nov 29, 2021 22:09:03 GMT
Hit up the Hard Off across town on the weekend. They had at least 5 of these: 200,000 yen. wft is it ffs They also had about 1200 ragged out LP's forn a buck each that should be thrown away. They also had another 1200 LP's of the "good shit" classic rock all inexplicably priced 2-3000 yen. Cashing in on the vinyl resurgence. Sorry cunts, I can get any of them 3,000 yen Beatles lp's at most stores across town for under $10. It's a recycled shop and they're preying on punters who never set foot in record stores but want to look hip to the wild, wild sound of The Vinyls. Not often I can trawl through 2000 lp's in a recycled store and not come close to buying a single fucking one of them.
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Post by Dr W.F.T Blundershart III on Dec 9, 2021 22:41:02 GMT
wfttttttttttttttttttttt
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Post by Dr W.F.T Blundershart III on Dec 10, 2021 9:18:15 GMT
Nakamichi tape deck. How can I have lived in Japan for 30 years and NEVER seen any Nakamichi tape deck, in any shop, at any price, ever? They're a Japanese company ffs
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Post by Dr W.F.T Blundershart III on Dec 11, 2021 7:52:10 GMT
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Post by Ladyfingers on Dec 13, 2021 1:46:45 GMT
Nakamichi tape deck. How can I have lived in Japan for 30 years and NEVER seen any Nakamichi tape deck, in any shop, at any price, ever? They're a Japanese company ffs I think the people who value them aren't selling them. I occasionally see a Dragon pop up on eBay.
I have such tactile nostalgia for cassettes, both audio and VHS, that I sometimes want to buy players just to hear all the clicks, thunks and whirs they made. Good cassettes did actually sound pretty decent, but if you want a good cassette you sort of need to make your own, in which case you already have the music in a superior format.
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Post by Ladyfingers on Dec 13, 2021 1:51:39 GMT
That is so mental Sound is so mental Would love a go in one of these: Closest I came to that was standing in the middle of a desert one nice, baking evening and it was so quiet that I could hear my heart in my ears. A beetle flew past me and it was like a surround-sound demo.
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Post by Dr W.F.T Blundershart III on Dec 13, 2021 2:00:31 GMT
I have such tactile nostalgia for cassettes, both audio and VHS, that I sometimes want to buy players just to hear all the clicks, thunks and whirs they made.
Cassette tapes have that almost silent background "whoosh" sound which, I imagine, if you havent grown up with, would drive you crazy. I don't even hear it.
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Post by Ladyfingers on Dec 13, 2021 2:39:13 GMT
I had a few tapes made from vinyl that kept me happy until I got a CD player and heard the '93 remaster of Dark Side of the Moon without any noise or distortion. and then it was digital audio for me forever.
I'd happily collect vinyl and I do miss the tactile experience the weight of the disc and of lowering the needle, that slight burning dust smell, all that. Vinyl is lovely. Cassettes usually sounded a bit naff and there was a little kick in twiddling knobs to get a bit more sparkle out of them.
Techmoan (who is fantastic) did a really good little video on how good cassettes could actually be.
He also did a video covering the Tefifon - a vinyl tape format.
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Post by Ladyfingers on Dec 13, 2021 2:53:47 GMT
The real problem with digital audio now is the loudness war. It's ruined over 20 years of music. We finally got a format with ~96dB signal-to-noise ratio, and after a few blissful years of warning stickers about blowing amps, every fucking nitwit crammed all the audio signal into the top 5dB of the format's headroom and we got people pining for vinyl records again.
The DR Database is pretty good for finding which issue of any album hasn't been ruined, but nearly everything recorded since about 1994-6 sounds lousy, despite these digital recordings being pressed onto vinyl with their dynamic range intact. Sometime you can get lucky with SACD issues, but even HDTracks doesn't offer any real respite.
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Post by Dr W.F.T Blundershart III on Dec 19, 2021 1:02:33 GMT
Jesus, that was weird. Yodobashi Camera actually did a trade-in on my old Denon DL-110. Goddamn that is unusual behaviour for these Big Business Corp Cuntz. Usually they are fucking ALLERGIC to used and sullied shit. Gave me a 10,000 yen discount on a new cart if I traded in my old one. So my new one "only" cost me 23,000 yen. Still in shock here.
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Post by Dr W.F.T Blundershart III on Dec 19, 2021 1:05:29 GMT
The real problem with digital audio now is the loudness war. It's ruined over 20 years of music. We finally got a format with ~96dB signal-to-noise ratio, and after a few blissful years of warning stickers about blowing amps, every fucking nitwit crammed all the audio signal into the top 5dB of the format's headroom and we got people pining for vinyl records again. The DR Database is pretty good for finding which issue of any album hasn't been ruined, but nearly everything recorded since about 1994-6 sounds lousy, despite these digital recordings being pressed onto vinyl with their dynamic range intact. Sometime you can get lucky with SACD issues, but even HDTracks doesn't offer any real respite. Totally agree and the vast majority of casual listeners dont really "know" this but they can instinctively feel something is "off" and unappealing about what they are hearing. And they turn away in droves from the cd sound.
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Post by Ladyfingers on Dec 20, 2021 12:48:30 GMT
The real problem with digital audio now is the loudness war. It's ruined over 20 years of music. We finally got a format with ~96dB signal-to-noise ratio, and after a few blissful years of warning stickers about blowing amps, every fucking nitwit crammed all the audio signal into the top 5dB of the format's headroom and we got people pining for vinyl records again. The DR Database is pretty good for finding which issue of any album hasn't been ruined, but nearly everything recorded since about 1994-6 sounds lousy, despite these digital recordings being pressed onto vinyl with their dynamic range intact. Sometime you can get lucky with SACD issues, but even HDTracks doesn't offer any real respite. Totally agree and the vast majority of casual listeners dont really "know" this but they can instinctively feel something is "off" and unappealing about what they are hearing. And they turn away in droves from the cd sound. The most frustrating part is that if you record a needledrop at 16/44, it is literally indistinguishable from playing back the original record. Poor "digital sound" has nothing to do with anything inherent to the format, it's just a stupid stylistic choice caused by a dumbfuck arms race.
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Post by Dr W.F.T Blundershart III on Mar 1, 2022 0:34:21 GMT
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Post by Ladyfingers on Mar 1, 2022 3:46:15 GMT
Haha, gold-plating doesn't sound better, it just reduces corrosion.
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Post by nikkeisindex on Mar 1, 2022 21:16:11 GMT
Probably actually the opposite of this thread, I grew up with a Pioneer 525
Older than I am. It hung around for decades, along with some not bad Harman Kardon speakers.
It eventually died. You had to fidget with the buttons more and more to get a signal to come through and eventually it just plain wasn't going to cooperate.
Well, now I have a job, and I'm a grown man, and a big boy, and I work from home.
I paid a shop $180 to fix that. Granted, that's about what it would cost to buy a "new" one - whatever. It'll last another 2 decades I'm sure.
Speakers, accounted for.
Spent a good few hours agonizing over how to best procure a backup turntable.
(The living room is the real deal; I'm just trying to cobble together a 2nd set up cheap mostly to play dub records while working.)
I bought my main Technics 1200 from almost certainly a criminal for $250 in the late 90s. Not gonna get that kind of deal again.
But for my purposes, Technics 1500 not bad.
Hasn't arrived yet, but $450 (thank you $50 state tax, jagoffs).
Receiver and speakers sound ace; if this turntable shows up in working order and I dropped $630 for a full not bad 2nd full system -- USA baby.
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Post by nikkeisindex on Apr 16, 2022 17:19:57 GMT
Annnnnnnd that did not happen at all! Hooked up turntable, one channel dead. I told the seller who refunded me $120 which was somehow prescient because the repair place charged me $110 for that and a new needle. Got it home, bear in mind this has been a months-long process, works but..... definitely distorted? Sounds like a shitty blown-out car system. So I carefully go through and eliminate all possible areas until I try a different cartridge and different needle. Works great. Try needle on same cartridge. The new needle from the shop sucks. So that's $40 down the drain. I'm a cheap petty man and debated going back and trying to get a refund on that but like, this place did good work and it's kind of hard to prove, basically I'd rather pay $40 and have a reliable affordable repair place than go in and bicker about $40 of what now is a $290 repair bill (receiver and turntable). Coughed up another $30 for another new needle and BAM baby!
Don't judge, I'm still tidying.
Let's run the numbers. speakers: free repair receiver: 180 turntable: 450 refund: -120 repair: 110 other new needle: 30 total: 650
$650 and "easy" would have been pretty good.
This was a lot more work and research then I planned on but hey now I'm better at knowing how to get shit repaired and how to replace a needle etc. (I know how to replace a needle but you can't just go on ebay and type "needle," etc. -- lotta cartridge vs headshell vs needle vs compatibility etc)
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Post by Dr W.F.T Blundershart III on Apr 16, 2022 23:12:13 GMT
What is that white cartridge sitting on the receiver?
Looks pretty heavy doodie
ps why do people want receivers? To listen to the radio?
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Post by nikkeisindex on Apr 17, 2022 3:07:41 GMT
That's the garbage boy; the cartridge came with the turntable, it's probably okay. That's the $40 audio technica needle that doesn't play for crap.
I may be oversimplifying or using language wrong but I thought "receiver" was like the thing where you choose what input is being sent to the speakers. One option on anything of that age will be radio but that's also tape, aux, phono, etc. I mean you can't go turntable --> speakers, you need turntable --> receiver --> speakers.
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