nikkeisindex
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Post by nikkeisindex on Jul 25, 2022 14:21:38 GMT
Short version: What was it for you?
For me, it was poking around... late 80's, early 90s, midwestern America, cock rock dominates MTV, confusion, then, somehow
Buzzcocks - I don't mind.
Switch Flipped.
Undertones were right in there and it wasn't easy to hear that shit then, but no looking back.
It's been interesting to meet people younger than me who basically had the advantage of the internet, their starting point can be like "duh, of course the Stooges and Velvets and Ramones, but what ELSE," well, I didn't have that advantage, which I think is interesting?
Or maybe it's not.
Who gives a fuck. Anyway at some point you went from "Oh sure Madonna and Michael Jackson, that's normal" to "I'm a weird dude who expresses himself through bizarre musical choices."
What were those choices?
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Post by Dr I.Shartdaley on Jul 26, 2022 0:11:25 GMT
Short version: What was it for you?
For me, it was poking around... late 80's, early 90s, midwestern America, cock rock dominates MTV, confusion, then, somehow
Buzzcocks - I don't mind.
Switch Flipped.
Undertones were right in there and it wasn't easy to hear that shit then, but no looking back.
It's been interesting to meet people younger than me who basically had the advantage of the internet, their starting point can be like "duh, of course the Stooges and Velvets and Ramones, but what ELSE," well, I didn't have that advantage, which I think is interesting?
Or maybe it's not.
Who gives a fuck. Anyway at some point you went from "Oh sure Madonna and Michael Jackson, that's normal" to "I'm a weird dude who expresses himself through bizarre musical choices."
What were those choices?
I'm finding it hard to isolate that one song that did it for me from the detritus of my perforated shithell of a memory. Switch was found when I was about 15 but not really flipped til a couple of years later. A group of 4 of us found the switch in the form of Radio Bfm, the new Uni radio station that came on air from 4 pm... just as we finished skool. It was all Exploited and 4Skins etc, who I thought were just mental criminals making a horrid noise. But I guess the seeds were sown then. Until then there were a group of us who hated all that 80's shit like Duran Duran etc... but we didnt have anything else so went back a decade to the oldies, Neil Young, the Stones etc The switch flip itself? The closest I can come to pinpointing my ground zero is "Johnny Was" by Stiff Little Fingers during 1986? |
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Post by sukebegg on Jul 26, 2022 11:42:18 GMT
I thought a lot about this when I started listening to "Turned Out A Punk" but part of turning to New Wave in jr high was my reaction against a dickhead brother, three years older and constantly blasting Zep, Nuge, Frampton...I bought the "My Sharona" single, no pic sleeve, after hearing it on AM radio. It was my second record after buyin the YMCA single for some reason. I guess that catchy slashing riff was to my liking, more real r'n'r and so far away from fuggin "who's wine, what wine, where the hell have I beeeeeiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnn"* I think listening to the Dr. Demento also exposed me and opened my mind to new wave and just off-kilter humorous music. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._DementoCoincidentally, the good Dr. D wrote the liner notes to a John Fahey collection that my brother, no longer a dickhead*, gave me out of the blue, as I had never heard him before, and I immediately loved Fahey's music... *But still, forcing this song at high volume on anyone must a violation of the UN Human Rights Charter... |
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Post by sukebegg on Jul 26, 2022 11:47:58 GMT
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Post by Ladyfingers on Jul 26, 2022 13:16:40 GMT
Hard to say, because there is a fair bit of music from my early childhood that I still really like. I think the first time I really noticed the electric guitar as an instrument was courtesy of Pink Floyd's Comfortably Numb, though. Maybe I heard Jump by Van Halen earlier, but those flashy solos didn't have the same effect on me as the immaculate compositions of David Gilmour. Around the same time I was aware that Bon Jovi and Def Leppard were far more exciting to listen to than Michael Jackson and Madonna, I would have been 11 or 12 or so, and so I suppose it wasn't far from that to my first non-Pink Floyd CD purchase, which was Stone Temple Pilots' Core because I though Wicked Garden sounded incredible. Then it was off to the races.
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Post by fuckface on Jul 26, 2022 22:37:13 GMT
know your product by the saints for sixteen year old me wayyyyyyy back in '78 was the switch that flipped the switch to open the switch board to flip switches
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nikkeisindex
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Post by nikkeisindex on Aug 4, 2022 17:23:36 GMT
Turned Out A Punk is great and in a way punk is great "novelty music," so I kind of get Dr. Demento as well.
I do remember loving My Sharona on AM radio. We moved when I was 4 so this adds up as me being 4-5 and being overexcited by the treat of mom staying in driveway in the station wagon the extra time to let the song finish. Song way too long btw, can't believe it was a hit like that.
It took me way longer to hear Know Your Product but damn, that is a hell of a unique and killer song.
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Post by fuckface on Aug 5, 2022 2:29:05 GMT
It took me way longer to hear Know Your Product but damn, that is a hell of a unique and killer song. just dumb luck on my part. right place right time. surprising how many of my peer group of that time loathed saints tho. copped a lot of "put led zep back on" "you've changed maaannn" type shit. needless to say that peer group was quickly surpassed by another chance meeting with the only two other guys in town into punk rock etc. us against the world. ha! |
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Post by nikkeisindex on Aug 8, 2022 23:51:55 GMT
Wow. Can you place a year on that? Because famously we have well, 1977. I know punk bands existed before this, but barely. Sure you have Stooges, VU, etc, ok, and the Sex Pistols for sure existed and played shows before the Ramones UK tour but I do buy in to this story that it was all popping off worldwide but the most fascinating part is hello, Australia and the Saints. I know too much, yes, the dude from Detroit moved there and did Radio Birdman -- I know -- but still, lending credence to the theory that any country that could afford teenage counterculture was reaching generally the same conclusion at generally the same time -- pretty interesting, pretty inspiring.
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Post by pussycat on Aug 9, 2022 1:09:02 GMT
If this is about music, i could say it’s when my aunt got me a cassette by el general, and that’s what got me into music. But if it’s about punk i’d say this this weekly punk show on the college radio station. It was 90’s so a lot of ska thrown in there too, but they played old punk and new punk and talked about shows happening in town so it was a real education into everything.
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Post by sukebegg on Aug 9, 2022 10:56:03 GMT
Wow. Can you place a year on that? Because famously we have well, 1977. I know punk bands existed before this, but barely. Sure you have Stooges, VU, etc, ok, and the Sex Pistols for sure existed and played shows before the Ramones UK tour but I do buy in to this story that it was all popping off worldwide but the most fascinating part is hello, Australia and the Saints. I know too much, yes, the dude from Detroit moved there and did Radio Birdman -- I know -- but still, lending credence to the theory that any country that could afford teenage counterculture was reaching generally the same conclusion at generally the same time -- pretty interesting, pretty inspiring. I know you aint asking me but...I probably heard something by the Saints before getting the first two albums, prolly 10 years later when there was the start of the revenge/revival of the Stooges, MC5, NY Dolls, Radio Birdman. I went ga-ga for Oz stuff from then, since it seemed a center for that whole line of rockage of what would later be termed "Rawk" if you want, but I think the Oz rock DNA might be a little tougher...I wonder who Kuepper credits as influences, Easybeats? Lobby Lloyde? lolz - (wiki) Here is where Kuepper was at a decade after the Saints...He got the horns in the divorce and the Bailey got the name... |
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Post by fuckface on Aug 11, 2022 2:44:06 GMT
its pretty interesting the way the very first wave of ‘punk’ bands evolved concurrently in some of the cultural backwaters of the first world amongst small groups of disaffected youth. completely unaware of each other. like some kind of darwinian origin of species type thing. with ’50s rockabilly, stones, beatles, who, kinks etc and ’60s garage bands being some kind of primordial soup. and the velvets, stooges, new york dolls providing the ignition point. as far as influences on the saints goes here’s a link to a site that go into the saints backstory as told by Ian McFarlane who was right there at the coalface www.saintsmusic.com/raven_wild.htmland one that goes into the great proto ‘punk’ bands of early ‘70s cleveland express.adobe.com/page/ANmNwePBImUI8/ |
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