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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jun 30, 2023 9:24:47 GMT
the first two do indeed have DR ratings of 5 and 6, but the latest one (Monument) has DR of 11! In 2020! This whole narrative could be comprised of made-up language and I would be none the wiser |
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Post by Ladyfingers on Jun 30, 2023 14:52:36 GMT
the first two do indeed have DR ratings of 5 and 6, but the latest one (Monument) has DR of 11! In 2020! This whole narrative could be comprised of made-up language and I would be none the wiser DR = Dynamic Range and there's a plugin to scan tracks and provide a rating number.. Pre '94 or so and the stupid loudness wars, average CD DR was at 11 or 12 and sounded great with loads of headroom for percussion. 8 is pretty bearable depending on the recording, but most modern digital releases are released at about 6, which is just a wall of noise.
The DR Database has info on whatever people have scanned. |
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Post by Ladyfingers on Jun 30, 2023 15:11:50 GMT
This whole narrative could be comprised of made-up language and I would be none the wiser DR = Dynamic Range and there's a plugin to scan tracks and provide a rating number.. Pre '94 or so and the stupid loudness wars, average CD DR was at 11 or 12 and sounded great with loads of headroom for percussion. 8 is pretty bearable depending on the recording, but most modern digital releases are released at about 6, which is just a wall of noise.
The DR Database has info on whatever people have scanned. Funnily enough, the earliest CDs were all over the place and some had DR of 14 or 15, which can sound incredible on the right system, but necessitated warning labels on some discs because at higher gain on systems with speakers that couldn't handle the amp's power the peaks would damage the drivers, or occasionally just fry an amp that had only been designed to deal with vinyl's limitations. I have a few DR15 recordings and the drums sound very lifelike indeed. We're so inured to the miracle of CD-quality sound because of how abused it's been that some people now insist on "HD sound" which is just shitloads more data for no measurable gain in quality compared to a properly mastered 16/44.1 track. |
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jun 30, 2023 23:19:13 GMT
Ran some of my cd's through, where I could confidently say I had the exact same copy.
12 Brian Eno - Ambient 1 Music For Airports
12 Angelo Badalamenti - Soundtrack From Twin Peaks
11 Neil Young – Live At The Fillmore East
11 Neil Young – Live At Massey Hall 1971
11 Smashing Pumpkins - Gish
10 Brian Eno - Ambient 4 On Land
10 Dinosaur Jr. – Where You Been
10 Archers Of Loaf - vs The Greatest Of All Time
9 Archers of Loaf - Vee Vee
8 Harvey Milk - Life...The Best Game in Town
7 Archers Of Loaf - The Speed Of Cattle
6 Earth - A Bureaucratic Desire For Extra-Capsular Extraction
I only play cd's once. To dub them to cassette tape. No one is allowed to get angry at me over this.
--Sprague.
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Post by Gordon, "Gordo", Forthreich on Jun 30, 2023 23:22:49 GMT
8 votes each in this pole.
Vote long and vote hard, MORANS.
--The Gordfather.
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Post by sukebegg on Jul 2, 2023 6:05:40 GMT
I only play cd's once. To dub them to cassette tape. No one is allowed to get angry at me over this.
--Sprague. All that plastic landfill is between you and Greta. I wish I could pay someone to digitalize all my remaining CDs (still in Hiroshima, all transferred from jewel boxes to soft vinyl sleeves and stored in large CD boxes in which they fit perfectly. Was hard to find that stuff 10-15 years back, wonder if it's made at all now.). And those CD binders! Fuck it, digitalize it all and put it on the cloud. Fuck Copyrights, Fuck Disney, Viva Ben Franklin and the subversiveness of public libraries. |
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jul 2, 2023 10:57:20 GMT
I only play cd's once. To dub them to cassette tape. No one is allowed to get angry at me over this.
--Sprague. All that plastic landfill is between you and Greta. I dont biff em after 1 dubbing. They just sit here. Have the most cd's I've ever had right now, coupla hundred I reckon. For years I was at about 50 cd's and 4,000 records but since I can buy 20 of the cd cunts for the same price as 1 goddamn LP its a wee bit of a no-brainer. |
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jul 3, 2023 3:18:11 GMT
The DR Database has info on whatever people have scanned. Ran a few more thru: 14 Ry Cooder - Chicken Skin Music (1988 reissue)9 Neil Young – Le Noise 9 Yo La Tengo – I Can Hear The Heart Beating As One 8 Russian Circles – Station 7 Russian Circles – Geneva 7 The Fall – Imperial Wax Solvent 7 Earth - The Bees Made Honey In The Lion's Skull 7 Electric Wizard – Witchcult Today 6 Windhand – Soma 5 Russian Circles – Enter ps when it says ...isn't that going to be a crappier quality sound? pss I see a 2007 version of my incredibly flat sounding TORCHE s/t cd from 2005 there graded at 4. No surprise, ffs it sounds horrid |
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Post by Ladyfingers on Jul 3, 2023 3:50:43 GMT
The DR Database has info on whatever people have scanned. Ran a few more thru: 14 Ry Cooder - Chicken Skin Music (1988 reissue)9 Neil Young – Le Noise 9 Yo La Tengo – I Can Hear The Heart Beating As One 8 Russian Circles – Station 7 Russian Circles – Geneva 7 The Fall – Imperial Wax Solvent 7 Earth - The Bees Made Honey In The Lion's Skull 7 Electric Wizard – Witchcult Today 6 Windhand – Soma 5 Russian Circles – Enter ps when it says ...isn't that going to be a crappier quality sound? pss I see a 2007 version of my incredibly flat sounding TORCHE s/t cd from 2005 there graded at 4. No surprise, ffs it sounds horrid Download can be WAV, FLAC, or even HDtracks, so quality isn't necessarily worse than CD. Additionally, sound quality (i.e. lossy data compression like MP3 or AAC) doesn't really affect DR at all. A CD or a low quality MP3 rip of that CD will have the same DR.
There are cases where the download is a completely different mastering, and that can be better or worse. The infamous CD version of Metallica's Death Magnetic has a DR of 3 or so (it was a sort of turning point where even casual listeners complained about the sound quality), but there's a version out there that used the un-fucked files from a Guitar Hero game that has a DR of 11 or so, only obtainable illicitly.
CDs, if they're even issued now, are still treated as a sort of bottom-rung version of most releases and you'll often find better masterings of albums available in other formats. Depeche Mode's Playing the Angel has an abysmal-sound CD release, but there's a beautiful-sounding SACD out there that people have helpfully ripped and shared, and the difference is night and day.
A new complication is that streaming services employ loudness normalisation so that random playlists don't have the volume skipping around too much. To defeat this normalisation and make tracks seem louder on streaming services, you actually have to leave the dynamic range intact. People keep saying that this means the "loudness wars are over!", but I don't see any such trend with most new releases scoring a 6 or so regardless of format.
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jul 4, 2023 3:39:46 GMT
14 Throwing Muses – The Real Ramona
10 Yo La Tengo – And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside-Out
8 The Young Gods – Second Nature
8 Yo La Tengo – Popular Songs
7 Yo La Tengo – I Am Not Afraid Of You And I Will Beat Your Ass
7 Yo La Tengo – Fade
6 Dinosaur Jr. – Farm
5 Torche – Meanderthal
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pereuwu
Has world's biggest Steven Seagal VHS collection
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Post by pereuwu on Jul 29, 2023 12:42:20 GMT
How much work have you been putting into your CD collection? I’ve been running into more and more gems lately, still for that cheap CD price, I’m thinking about bulking up my collection. Thing is, I don’t even know that I would go through the hassle of uploading any of it
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jul 29, 2023 22:14:14 GMT
How much work have you been putting into your CD collection? Zero. Just a fallback for when I'm curious about stuff but not confident enough to spring for the vinyl version |
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fuckface
will gargle nuts for more nuts
hey there
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Post by fuckface on Jul 29, 2023 23:26:25 GMT
i've read this thread thru twice and i have no clue what its about. yours sincerely, a boof head
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Post by Ladyfingers on Jul 30, 2023 1:37:54 GMT
i've read this thread thru twice and i have no clue what its about. yours sincerely, a boof head |
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fuckface
will gargle nuts for more nuts
hey there
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Post by fuckface on Jul 30, 2023 1:54:04 GMT
ok got it, thanks
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Post by Ladyfingers on Jul 30, 2023 3:14:42 GMT
There's a legendary Telarc CD release of the 1812 Overture where the dynamics of the cannons are in scale with the orchestra, so you have the volume turned up to play a very loud orchestra bashing away at a very bombastic piece at a convincing volume and suddenly the cannons fire and your speakers die.
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Post by Ladyfingers on Jul 30, 2023 4:45:51 GMT
The Telarc 1812 cannons on vinyl:
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jan 24, 2024 21:56:09 GMT
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Post by Ladyfingers on Jan 25, 2024 1:00:49 GMT
Forgot mono-ed bass and inner groove distortion. |
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