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Post by Ladyfingers on May 31, 2020 15:46:43 GMT
Less like a movie and more like a music video interpreting the Star Wars-inspired imaginings of a febrile 5 year-old. A total mess.
Less contemptible than The Last Jedi, though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2021 6:37:26 GMT
Less like a movie and more like a music video interpreting the Star Wars-inspired imaginings of a febrile 5 year-old. A total mess. Less contemptible than The Last Jedi, though. How so? |
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Post by Ladyfingers on Apr 27, 2021 8:04:22 GMT
Rise of Skywalker was at least aimed at people even vaguely invested in the lore of the series, while Last Jedi was a big middle finger to fans. I don't advocate pandering and I'm not opposed to the idea of adding some ambiguity to Star Wars' morality, but it did it so badly I just completely lost whatever remaining interest I had in the series.
And don't get me started on the Holdo Manoeuvre. It took me literally half a second to ask why a universe with AI and hyperdrives hadn't figured out how to reliably weaponise that trick.
And the casino scene was cringe-inducing crap.
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Post by Dr W.F.T Blundershart III on Apr 30, 2021 23:48:08 GMT
 No idea here. Oh Jesus, they're sticking with the forgettable millenials. Cut your losses, morans. Do these 2-D drips even appeal to the younger generation? You need risque types like Han Solo not these blandly inoffensive forgettable nothing nobodies. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 5:52:07 GMT
Rise of Skywalker was at least aimed at people even vaguely invested in the lore of the series, while Last Jedi was a big middle finger to fans. I don't advocate pandering and I'm not opposed to the idea of adding some ambiguity to Star Wars' morality, but it did it so badly I just completely lost whatever remaining interest I had in the series. And don't get me started on the Holdo Manoeuvre. It took me literally half a second to ask why a universe with AI and hyperdrives hadn't figured out how to reliably weaponise that trick. And the casino scene was cringe-inducing crap. While I still haven't seen Rise Of Skywalker, I'd say that The Last Jedi is in the better half of the "Disney Wars" movies, and the criticism of it that Johnson's creative decisions were some sort of "middle finger" to what Abrams did with The Force Awakens, or even to the franchise as a whole, makes little sense to me. For starters, when it comes to what TLJ did with Luke's characterization, while I've gone into greater detail about this elsewhere, it bears repeating that everything Johnson did with his arc was a natural extension of what TFA already hinted at about him, since he was obviously living in exile nowhere near the frontlines for a reason. And, the same basic thing goes for the complaints about what the film did with Snoke, or with the revelation of Rey's parents, because with the former, people are baselessly assuming that there was supposed to be some sort of greater "mystery" to Snoke's identity to have another excuse to complain, when TFA established nothing of the sort about him (so why assume otherwise?), and with the latter, the only thing that TLJ did was merely resolve the mystery of who her parents were; how is that supposed to some sort of snubbing of Abrams "plan" for that sub-plot?
I mean, no one knows what JJ had planned for that detail (if he indeed had a plan at all), and it's easy to assume that the true identity of Rey's parents was supposed to be some sort of presumably big payoff, when JJ choose to establish so little of substance about that question in his film, since his writing style assumes that just randomly introducing mysteries is a compelling storytelling device in and of itself: |
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Post by Gordon, "Gordo", Forthreich on Jun 13, 2021 6:12:11 GMT
Stu, how do you feel about the world of avatars? -Gordus. |
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Post by Ladyfingers on Jun 15, 2021 9:37:45 GMT
Rise of Skywalker was at least aimed at people even vaguely invested in the lore of the series, while Last Jedi was a big middle finger to fans. I don't advocate pandering and I'm not opposed to the idea of adding some ambiguity to Star Wars' morality, but it did it so badly I just completely lost whatever remaining interest I had in the series. And don't get me started on the Holdo Manoeuvre. It took me literally half a second to ask why a universe with AI and hyperdrives hadn't figured out how to reliably weaponise that trick. And the casino scene was cringe-inducing crap. While I still haven't seen Rise Of Skywalker, I'd say that The Last Jedi is in the better half of the "Disney Wars" movies, and the criticism of it that Johnson's creative decisions were some sort of "middle finger" to what Abrams did with The Force Awakens, or even to the franchise as a whole, makes little sense to me. For starters, when it comes to what TLJ did with Luke's characterization, while I've gone into greater detail about this elsewhere, it bears repeating that everything Johnson did with his arc was a natural extension of what TFA already hinted at about him, since he was obviously living in exile nowhere near the frontlines for a reason. And, the same basic thing goes for the complaints about what the film did with Snoke, or with the revelation of Rey's parents, because with the former, people are baselessly assuming that there was supposed to be some sort of greater "mystery" to Snoke's identity to have another excuse to complain, when TFA established nothing of the sort about him (so why assume otherwise?), and with the latter, the only thing that TLJ did was merely resolve the mystery of who her parents were; how is that supposed to some sort of snubbing of Abrams "plan" for that sub-plot?
I mean, no one knows what JJ had planned for that detail (if he indeed had a plan at all), and it's easy to assume that the true identity of Rey's parents was supposed to be some sort of presumably big payoff, when JJ choose to establish so little of substance about that question in his film, since his writing style assumes that just randomly introducing mysteries is a compelling storytelling device in and of itself: I agree that Abrams' "contributions" to the series had no narrative value, but I found Last Jedi to be needlessly contrarian rather than simply fleshing it out with more interesting ideas. It's not that clever to make everything the first movie set up effectively a red herring.
Anyway, The Mandalorian is the real new Star Wars. The movies, aside from Rogue One, have been crap.
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Post by Dr W.F.T Blundershart III on Feb 9, 2022 2:04:15 GMT
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Post by Dr W.F.T Blundershart III on Dec 29, 2023 23:04:14 GMT
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