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Post by fuckface on Jan 25, 2022 22:22:23 GMT
I’m listening to lots of jazz lately, specifically alice coltrane who might be my most favorite jazz person, and one of the best music people, period. Listening to monastic trio, huntington ashram monastery and ptah the el daoud (gesundheit!). Love the dreamy chords and droning basslines. Haven’t delved too deep into these later albums like lord of lords where she’s doing a more orchestral sort of thing with an electric keyboard buzzing along through it. alice is great. truly great. i have eleven of her lp's. all of which are original copies that i picked up for next to nothing along with a heap of other rare and great stuff during that period in the late '80s when cds were taking over completely and people were getting rid their whole 'inferior' vinyl collections for next to nada. the best alice lps are the ones with great sidemen like pharoah sanders, cecil mcbee, rashid ali etc. on them. the overall quality of the musicianship on those records is astounding. thats not to take anything away from sheer fucking genius of alice. because she is obviously the creative driving force on all her recordings. most of the later ones, altho still great aren't the powerhouse mind fucks of her works with those incredible sidemen. saw pharoah sanders live a couple of times in melbourne and auckland. his auckland show in '04 is one of the absolute greatest things i ever witnessed. can't imagine how great it woulda been to see him with alice. |
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Post by fuckface on Jan 25, 2022 22:24:06 GMT
the thing is, maybe you're thinking laughing clowns are supposed to be some kind of rock band. they were not a fucking rock band, not a post punk band, nor a shronk band and 100% definitely not a post punk jazz punk band Probably more just bad timing in my case. Every cough medicine drinking mongrel band at the time had horns, got a bit monotonous. i get it. |
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Post by fuckface on Jan 25, 2022 22:35:52 GMT
heres a rare clowns track without any horns...altho it has a harmonica which is usually much much worse in my book. anyway while its not typical clowns being more 'rootsy' in style, it definitely isn't indie rock alt punk jazz shit or whatever
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jan 25, 2022 22:45:58 GMT
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Post by nikkeisindex on Jan 26, 2022 1:04:56 GMT
Skankin Pickle could not hold a candle to OpIvy. OpIvy are weird because I don't think was anything else quite like that at the time.
3rd wave bests for me:
Hepcat
Let's Go Bowling
Gangster Fun
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jan 26, 2022 1:24:08 GMT
OpIvy are weird because I don't think was anything else quite like that at the time. They may have invented the whole ska punk genre? Although some may say they have something to answer for there iHomo. I'd still prefer Bad Manners any day. Let's Go Bowling were great fun live too though. |
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jan 26, 2022 9:00:45 GMT
alice is great. truly great. i have eleven of her lp's. Wow, struggling to think of anyone I have 10+ vinyl lp's by.... Boob Dylan maybe 15 or so. Same with Neil Young. Neurosis right at 10. wft thats it! |
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Post by fuckface on Jan 26, 2022 11:28:41 GMT
alice is great. truly great. i have eleven of her lp's. Wow, struggling to think of anyone I have 10+ vinyl lp's by.... Boob Dylan maybe 15 or so. Same with Neil Young. Neurosis right at 10. wft thats it! yeah well, like i said they were just a few bucks each at the time. nice thick cardboard and nice clean vinyl. impossible to pass on. didn't know much about them at the time but i knew i wouldn't find them again if i didn't snavel them up. also have 15 fall lp's (they did release 30+) pretty much all bought them all as they were released. never paid above retail price for any. other than that i don't really have any more than five or six by any other 'artist'. and usually just one, two or three. ...and i'm no completist. if i don't play them i get rid of them. i've even given quite a few away in the last four or five years, some very nice ones too. probably down to under two thousand now. |
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jan 26, 2022 11:48:57 GMT
Awesome. Never been hugely fussed on splurging on the vinyl copies, their sound is a bit tinpot so cd's dubbed to tape are generally fine by me. Think I'm at about 7 lp's, 10 cd's and 2 cassettes. tOTALLY splurged on that epic 6xcd Peel discography though. A non-negotiable purchase.  |
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Post by sukebegg on Jan 26, 2022 12:26:54 GMT
Fwiw Devo and the second wave UK ska bands were my first musical loves in junior high school, so I have too much nostalgia for the Specials and English Beat etc. But the music wasn't really all that great and the original ska and rock steady is so perfect for those times of day or moods...The Toasters were a god-knows-what-wave UK ska band that I got dragged to see in LA because my roommate's gf was visiting for the weekend, thus the song... *** Pretty worth it I reckon and shows their kinda decline as Riley and Brix fade away. But still way more albums of ownable quality than many a band. Great bands might not have more than three really great records but then there is the dangerous completist attitude that has single 50-year old anglo males living in tiny apartments in Osaka crammed with Iron Maiden picture discs and the whole Cirith Ungol discography...Dangerous...nomIsayin?  |
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Post by sukebegg on Jan 26, 2022 12:42:18 GMT
And if the Laughing Clowns ain't your thing, maybe F with The Aints for a bit? Like if Crazy Horse was actually any good!!
JK about Neil ~ He's telling Rogaine to eff off of Spotify. Hi and Larious!!
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Post by fuckface on Jan 26, 2022 23:14:34 GMT
And if the Laughing Clowns ain't your thing, maybe F with The Aints for a bit? Like if Crazy Horse was actually any good!! JK about Neil ~ He's telling Rogaine to eff off of Spotify. Hi and Larious!! sukebe i reckon thats one of the things about laughing clowns…when ed kuepper returned to australia after the original saints broke up in ’78 most people were expected him to do something guitar centric in the vein of the saints or sumsuch…except maybe with a real ‘singer’ up front. what the got instead was his guitar shifted out of focus, monotone(ish) vocals, a drummer that played all around and inbetween the beat but rarely on it and fucking horns up front! which was not was definitely not expected or accepted by punks etc. from a ‘punk pioneer’ …altho it was in fact actually keeping with the trajectory the original saints had been moving in on their second and third lp’s. i think witnessing the whole punk rock bandwagon thing in late ‘70s england with its leather jacketed two braincell, three chord orthodoxy had made him cynical of the biz and he wanted no part of it. even tho he could probably just as easily cashed in on the infamy of ‘i’m stranded’ etc. i saw the clowns five or six times in the day and their intensity easily matched any punk/post punk band of that era i saw, minus the cliche’s. have to admit tho, i was thrilled the first time i saw him playing thru huge a marshall stack ten years later with the aints. |
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jan 26, 2022 23:25:27 GMT
...and i'm no completist. if i don't play them i get rid of them. So relieved I dont have that gene either. That is a different level of The Sickness. Poring over wantlists 3,000 strong, tieing yourself up in knots that you cant afford to "complete the set".... then when you do spend a months worth of food money on one of the fucken things you play it once and file it away and move onto fretting over Scoring The Next Fix..... |
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Post by nikkeisindex on Jan 26, 2022 23:26:31 GMT
Trying to think of any artist I had 15 LPs from got me to do some quick organizing and conclude 16 credited to Lee Perry, not including Max Romeo, Congos, Junior Byles, etc. That's it!
Oh, and I am a completest.
hahaha, jk.
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Post by fuckface on Jan 26, 2022 23:59:17 GMT
sixteen lee perry lp's is truly a worthy life goal.
come to think of it, thats one thing i never saw much of in the great vinyl selloff of the early '90s, dub reggae. plenty of bob marley a few toots here and there, but not much else. not in australia. no sir.
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Post by sukebegg on Jan 27, 2022 11:15:46 GMT
sukebe i reckon thats one of the things about laughing clowns…when ed kuepper returned to australia after the original saints broke up in ’78 most people were expected him to do something guitar centric in the vein of the saints or sumsuch…except maybe with a real ‘singer’ up front. what the got instead was his guitar shifted out of focus, monotone(ish) vocals, a drummer that played all around and inbetween the beat but rarely on it and fucking horns up front! which was not was definitely not expected or accepted by punks etc. from a ‘punk pioneer’ …altho it was in fact actually keeping with the trajectory the original saints had been moving in on their second and third lp’s. i think witnessing the whole punk rock bandwagon thing in late ‘70s england with its leather jacketed two braincell, three chord orthodoxy had made him cynical of the biz and he wanted no part of it. even tho he could probably just as easily cashed in on the infamy of ‘i’m stranded’ etc. i saw the clowns five or six times in the day and their intensity easily matched any punk/post punk band of that era i saw, minus the cliche’s. have to admit tho, i was thrilled the first time i saw him playing thru huge a marshall stack ten years later with the aints. I am still barely scratching the surface with the Clowns, and I hadn't meditated on the fact that he started the band in '79...Prolly already said it but, hearing a Bailey "Saints" album in the late '80s left a bad taste in my mouth for many years I reckon. I imagine I picked up the Aints stuff trolling the massive used CD shops in Osaka in the late 90s. Probably weren't much LC stuff floating around anyhow. His guitar is so expressive, can't think of a better way to put it, in that Aints stuff. It really verges on Shoegaze but just swings way too much. Anyhow Wiki says about the Clowns: Peel Sessions sometimes provide a good entree(?) Gonna watch this later. Buncha recent live Aints stuff on the YT also... ETA: Cued at the Pub Medley cuz it is Tet New Year and ya should be drinking and sinning! |
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jan 27, 2022 11:55:39 GMT
Have 3 of Ed's solo lp's
Electrical Storm. very noice.
Everybody's Got To. hits and misses, didnt massively click
Honey Steel's Gold. massively clicked, super classy and stiffy inducing
wouldnt mind a copy of Rooms Of The Magnificent either.
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Post by fuckface on Jan 27, 2022 12:41:59 GMT
Peel Sessions sometimes provide a good entree(? not in this case, not for me. all those songs are off the 'everything that flies ep' i don't rate it highly. whereas this earlier meditation on the hour before yourdate with the gallows is one of my personal faves or this later meditation on? which is their most well known here and a much better entree methinks... |
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Post by fuckface on Jan 27, 2022 12:53:57 GMT
Have 3 of Ed's solo lp's Electrical Storm. very noice. Everybody's Got To. hits and misses, didnt massively click Honey Steel's Gold. massively clicked, super classy and stiffy inducing wouldnt mind a copy of Rooms Of The Magnificent either. yeah electrical storm is the best out of those three by a long shot. not a big fan of 'the yard goes on forever' period a lot of the latter ones are actually better than those. 'jean lee and the yellow dog' is pretty great 'serene machine' is solid mid period |
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Post by fuckface on Jan 27, 2022 21:54:10 GMT
frontierland is a pretty good one too
ed looking a bit hung over and playing solo heavily processed guitar on early morning aus tv
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Post by sukebegg on Jan 28, 2022 12:32:35 GMT
Thanks for the tips FF ~ I actually have some work to do tomorrow so will hit your reccos ~ Was just guessing about that Peel Sessions, but it sent me on a PS rabbit hole. I remember them on vinyl when I still bought but unless it was used and really appealing for some reason, so I don't think I ever had more than a few, maybe this one for some reason. I really like their early stuff (ex-Undertones):
This dude had his OG channel with tons of PS (mostly never-released but sound great) wiped, and I just ran across his new one. If you really needed to hear Dinosaur Jr. covering a Boston punk band featuring the aforementioned Choke, why not?
I pimped these guys before but this is a pretty good intro to them, early dayz and easy to peg-them as Stoner but they have a shitload of Hawkwind and Motorik jamming going on...
I recently used my Tet cash to upgrade to some best-value Bose computer speakers: No giant woofer and still sounds ace.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 9:03:55 GMT
Now that I've worked out that the Keymaster has made this as mobile unfriendly, here's the Viagra Boys link again
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Post by Gordon, "Gordo", Forthreich on Jan 29, 2022 9:29:47 GMT
Now that I've worked out that the Keymaster has made this as mobile unfriendly
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jan 29, 2022 10:02:01 GMT
MY CURRENT STANDINGS ALLTIME FAVE UK BANDS.
PREMIER LEAGUE:
1 THE FALL
2 ELECTRIC WIZARD
3 WEDDING PRESENT
4 STRANGLERS
5 WIRE
6 TUBEWAY ARMY
7 PART CHIMP
8 CONAN
9 COCTEAU TWINS
10 SLOMATICS
11 BLUE NILE
12 BAUHAUS
13 COUNTRY TEASERS
14 GANG OF FOUR
15 COIL
16 OMD
17 T-REX
18 SWELL MAPS
19 MEKONS
20 BLACK SABBATH
DIVISION 2
1 HEY COLOSSUS
2 HAWKWIND
3 SLADE
4 BAD MANNERS
5 SLOWDIVE
6 BUZZCOCKS
7 DAMNED
8 THE WHO
9 THIS MORTAL COIL
10 SWERVEDRIVER
11 SPIRITUALIZED
12 UNDERTONES
13 XTC
14 BETA BAND
15 ARMITAGE SHANKS
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Post by fuckface on Jan 29, 2022 12:01:42 GMT
Thanks for the tips FF ~ I actually have some work to do tomorrow so will hit your reccos ~ Was just guessing about that Peel Sessions, but it sent me on a PS rabbit hole. I remember them on vinyl when I still bought but unless it was used and really appealing for some reason, so I don't think I ever had more than a few, maybe this one for some reason. I really like their early stuff (ex-Undertones):
the quality and variety of peel sessions is incredible for how they were banged out. those old bbc engineers were top notch.
read some funny stories about union demarkation lines at those sessions being completely insane. like, if a musician went to move an amp or plug something in the union reps would have a fit, and they'd threaten to walk out, cause the union stage hands were the only people authorised to move anything and the union electricians were the only ones authorised to plug anything into a power socket etc. so, if a muso went to do anything themselves that the union workers were supposed to do. all hell would break loose
just re-listened to that clowns peel sesh and besides the first song. the rest of it holds up pretty well i think. and i think i'm probably just so used to the 7" version of the first song (which absolutely kills by the way) that anything but the 7" version just sounds wrong to me.
i had a couple of 'that petrol emotion' records maybe...30 yrs(ish) back. they were pretty good. no idea what happened to them. can't remember selling them...
This dude had his OG channel with tons of PS (mostly never-released but sound great) wiped, and I just ran across his new one. If you really needed to hear Dinosaur Jr. covering a Boston punk band featuring the aforementioned Choke, why not?
why not indeed
I recently used my Tet cash to upgrade to some best-value Bose computer speakers: No giant woofer and still sounds ace.
fuck man, how much lucky money did you get? i was in saigon for tet in 2001 think i got less than a thousand dong. woo hoo! and probably gave away a few hundred thou. fuck i'm a nice bloke. hey all, how d'ya like my new reply style. pretty flash eh? |
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jan 29, 2022 13:05:13 GMT
hey all, how d'ya like my new reply style. pretty flash eh? Think it may have given me incurable Eye & Face AIDS as well as exploding cock zits. Or they could have been pre-existing conditions. |
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Post by nikkeisindex on Jan 29, 2022 15:31:14 GMT
I can't necessarily do ranking lists. It's too hard. What if I love one 7" from a band vs another that has 2 good LPs? How do I cope with that?
Here are some disassociated comments in vague response to your list.
The Fall. Now I know. Once I say I don't really like them the proper response is to say "well you have to listen to (link)." With all due respect, I will not be listening. I've listened! As we go down the line and my taste is revealed as a guy who mostly likes a well produced fairly conventional sped up louder take on traditional pop music this may make sense.
The Stranglers - fuck yeah. Driving through Texas in 99 I heard what I now know is Get A Grip on the radio and this may be the last moment in time a person silently prayed for the DJ to actually read off the band name. I'm still a No More Heroes guy. London Lady is fucking sick but that whole record isn't. Should I buy the 7"? This is the kind of thing that occupies my obviously addled brain. The 3rd one where JJ looks like he has no head, Black and White, I've given it several spins, cannot hang.
Tubeway Army. When I heard the Replicas LP I lost my mind, again this would be somewhere around 00-02 maybe, I made a demo of my hard GN rip-off project and approached a guy from a local band I barely know who was like "Well yeah I mean this is cool but not my thing." But then, you just keep going back. What's better than Replicas? The S/T LP. What's better than that? Those older "unreleased" demo 12" 45 EPs. Not every song, but the good ones --- watch out.
Gang of Four - Here's another one that is like, I think Entertainment! is one of the best records of all time, but I don't play it that often, because I already spent 25 years playing the shit out of it. This is sadly the case with a lot of my favorite records. This is the thirst. This is why you dig down and keep finding weirder shit to chase that dragon.
Mekons - Jon Langford lives in Chicago and played across the street from a friend's house during COVID so I sat on a front lawn with a beer and was like, I still don't really get it. Then someone came across the street and peer pressured us into donating.
Bad Manners - I am shocked this makes the list. I mean, most of their records are TERRIBLE. Lorraine? Lip Up Fatty? Sure, sick. But I could almost reduce this band down to a 7". The Selecter? I think that's the best 2 Tone LP hands down. Besides the 2nd one which is worthless.
Swervedriver - You're off by just a couple letters here, chief.
Undertones - This was the flip switch for me, along with the Buzzcocks. Within 5-10 seconds I was like well, this is as good as music gets, really no point in further efforts.
XTC - Conflicted. I kept buying records from this band because each one had a couple of killer moments with a bunch of nonsense. I guess in retrospect I'd cherry pick just the best 7"s and then buy Go 2. They were definitely better with Barry Andrews playing that cheap ass organ. I bought Iggy Pop "Soldier" largely because he's on it. Okay record. Also has Glenn Matlock, basically if you're a punk nerd, it's not that expensive, why not.
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jan 29, 2022 23:34:45 GMT
Yeah I was unsold on this band for YEARS but then somehow got to 40 and it all clicked. Bigtime.
key selling point:
Absolutely the case for me too.
yeah they are hit and miss.
yeah agree, but that total of 30 mins of solid ska amidst all the twee bollox gets them i for me
this choice was just me missing my old copy of "Raise" I havent heard for 30 years. Selected entirely due to memories that may not hold up
yeah didnt like this band for so long but in the last few months Black Sea and Big Express have really clicked for me
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Post by fuckface on Jan 30, 2022 3:02:11 GMT
...orstralia being a british cultural colony until we turned on a dime and switched completely to usa cultcha with the advent of pay tv and the internet. like most kids my age i grew up on uk music. these are a few of uk acts that made a deep and lasting impact on me...
kinks - remember hearing ‘waterloo sunset’ and ‘you really got me’ on am radio as a kid and loved them. there was something about them i got that i never got as much from the stones or beatles, can’t say exactly what that something was/is tho.
black sabbath - listened to their first lp about a zillion times from when i was thirteen to sixteen. after which punk rock turned my head away for a couple of years. i still liked em tho and still love them now. guess i always will.
john cale - i bought the guts comp on cassette when i was in high school on the strength of the cover alone and became an instant fan. didn’t know anything about the velvets and the cale story for another few years. i just liked him.
the fall - i totally get people not getting them. but this band was a real deep personal journey for me. i heard ‘live at the witch trials’ at a friends house late ’79 and commented that i liked the weirdness of it. my friend had only just bought it a few weeks before. he called it ‘psychedelic bullshit’ and said i could have it. i bought each subsequent release after that as they came out and really got into how strange and unpredictable each new one was compared to the previous ones. lost interest pretty quickly during the brix chart push era but came back to them bit by bit after she left right thru until mes died. haven’t listened to them much since then. i guess it was ultimately as much about the journey for me as the music and now he’s gone and theres no new fall releases to come, its just not the same being a fall fan anymore.
stranglers
sex pistols
buzzcocks
wire
- gonna lump all four of these bands together, cause i got into them all within a few months of each other in ’79 and in that order. as much as they were all completely different to each other, their combined revolutionary impaction me was equally immense.
alternative tv - you could say mark perry and atv are hit and miss. but most of the misses miss by so far that its difficult not to admire the sheer audacity of them anyway. mark p pretty much espoused and inspired the whole punk rock d.i.y ethos from day one. a real hero of mine.
swell maps - heard about them quite early on in my punk rock days, but didn’t hear them properly until after they had broken up in ’81 or so. but once i did i was hooked on their odd d.i.y. blend of kraut rock, glam, art rock and punk rock also the fact that they never reformed.
blurt - another fucking truly weird uk band i got heavily into in the early '80s guitar, drums and sax with shouty dada vocals. almost afro beat in a minimalist no wave puppetry kind of way. overlooked and under rated compared to most uk post punk shit that gets hyped. some of their shit is almost beautiful, other bits truly unlistenable …but then, i’ve appreciated inconsistency over dependability in bands that go on past an album or two.
fairport convention - got into their early stuff in the late ‘80s after having been thru the whole punk rock revolution and beyond and coming out the other side pretty much burned out on it. picked up a original mint gatefold of their amazing ‘liege and lief’ lp secondhand for a couple of bucks. immediately felt like the perfect antidote to a decade of punk rock obsession. at times they could play as raw and fast as any punk rock band and as weird as any post punk shit you care to mention. except always with a ear for a melody, immaculate musicianship and singers who could sing in a way your grandmother could appreciate as actual singing. all things that i had previously dismissed and avoided like the plague. i think they're still going and have put out a squidillion albums. i've only like four or five of them and am not interested in digging deeper, but i absolutely fucking love the ones that i like.
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