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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jul 13, 2023 21:32:43 GMT
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Post by fuckface on Jul 14, 2023 11:30:10 GMT
oh shit. i mean more power to the workers and all that, but still, oh shit!!! gonna hafta strap in for a long stint of thrifty living. ugh. |
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jul 14, 2023 12:24:03 GMT
oh shit. i mean more power to the workers and all that, but still, oh shit!!! Creepy bigwig cuntz |
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jul 15, 2023 2:30:03 GMT
8 votes each in the pole, MORANZ.
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Post by fuckface on Jul 16, 2023 1:24:31 GMT
this started a few months ago with the hollywood screen writers striking. which the major studios and entertainment biz were prepared to ride out until the strikers caved in. the fact that its now a combined writers and actors strike, means the power dynamic has shifted towards the strikers having the upper hand. but the major studios all have a big stock pile of yet to be released movies and shows. so they can still grind the strikers faces into the ground for awhile. and they can afford to hold out and grind the strikers faces into the ground for quite awhile yet i would think.
in the meantime its not big name actors or major studios and big production companies that are gonna suffer. its the people in the background and us johnnies on the factory floor who are gonna be deprived of a way to earn a living and suffer mostest. sincerely hope the unions stick to their guns now that they've taken action and hold out for a good settlement.
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Post by sukebegg on Jul 16, 2023 10:54:32 GMT
oh shit. i mean more power to the workers and all that, but still, oh shit!!! Creepy bigwig cuntz That AI shite is beyond groundbreaking, it's Black Mirror come to life, so I guess those writers can only blame themselves! Imagine being sued for trying to appear in something else because you don't own your own image...DeSatanis aside, Disney is responsible for the insanely strict copyright laws. It's a long and twisted history but here's a great example of the power DIsney has in this regard: Anyhow... {NSFW or Disney lawyers!}  |
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jul 16, 2023 11:07:57 GMT
{NSFW or Disney lawyers!} |
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Post by sukebegg on Jul 16, 2023 14:30:24 GMT
All praise to the great Wallace "Wally" Wood  (1952) Iconic |
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jul 16, 2023 22:16:39 GMT
That AI shite is beyond groundbreaking, it's Black Mirror come to life, so I guess those writers can only blame themselves! They should be using their downtime to chunder out a brilleaux take on their own conundrum. "Please report to The Ministry of Self to register your likeness."
"But the Ministry of Identity won't let me in the building without my Registered Likeness card."
"Please report to The Ministry of Self to register your likeness." |
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jul 16, 2023 23:04:47 GMT
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jul 17, 2023 2:51:32 GMT
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Post by sukebegg on Jul 17, 2023 12:34:19 GMT
They should make all Reality TV shows AI shows because they are so exploitative of those idiots who appear on them...except for cooking shows... Then pump the money saved into all that Hollywood crap. Not sure if the singularity will be like a bubble but AI is probably going to be the last bronco ride at the venture capitalist rodeo. Special Guest Star: Crypto Currency  |
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Post by Ladyfingers on Jul 17, 2023 12:46:05 GMT
The absolute state of creative bankruptcy in the major studios combined with the total lack of marketable celelbrities aside from Tom Cruise makes this a case of rats eating roaches, and I don't give a flying fuck about any of it. I hope the independents eat their lunch.
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Post by fuckface on Jul 17, 2023 14:43:40 GMT
The absolute state of creative bankruptcy in the major studios combined with the total lack of marketable celelbrities aside from Tom Cruise makes this a case of rats eating roaches, and I don't give a flying fuck about any of it. I hope the independents eat their lunch. if i were a film buff that hadn't been working in the industry for decades i would agree. 100% but speaking as someone who has put food on the table and paid the bills doing behind the scenes work in the film industry since the late ‘80s. ...but has zero interest in watching any of it as far as i can possibly avoid it... i don’t wanna see the independents eat the majors lunches. i just wanna see the major studios forced to share their lunch money a little more equitably. if the independents eat the majors lunches, they will inevitably become the exact same fat cunts as the majors. the major studios are the only reason it is possible for us pricks on the factory floor to work on a regular basis and earn a living wage. nope, they definitely aint perfect. but i’d rather work on a shitty well funded big studio backed production, than a cool independent production every single time. its not even a close contest. nope. the vast majority of independent films are dismal work places for behind the scenes people. i avoid them like the fucking plague as much as i possibly can. yes, many of them are lovely caring creative folk…until it comes to their precious ‘project’. then you see their true selves. you know, the types that would happily have people work around the clock with little to no safety measures for little to no pay and then try to sell it to you as being artistically fulfilling. thats them. artistically fulfilling doesn’t pay any fucking bills or put food on the fucking table. i'll tell you that for nothing. working on independent films is strictly for fan boys and sucks. just saying. fuck them and everything they stand for. |
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jul 18, 2023 3:14:16 GMT
the vast majority of independent films are dismal work places for behind the scenes people. i avoid them like the fucking plague as much as i possibly can. yes, many of them are lovely caring creative folk…until it comes to their precious ‘project’. then you see their true selves. you know, the types that would happily have people work around the clock with little to no safety measures for little to no pay and then try to sell it to you as being artistically fulfilling. thats them. Similar to the indie music scene? The snobbish elitist sort who think their strain of endeavor is purer and unsullied... then will sell you down the river the instant some $$$$ is waved around. Still, I side with Ladtfingers on this one; at least the indie project is going to take some creative chances. |
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Post by Ladyfingers on Jul 18, 2023 3:53:22 GMT
The absolute state of creative bankruptcy in the major studios combined with the total lack of marketable celelbrities aside from Tom Cruise makes this a case of rats eating roaches, and I don't give a flying fuck about any of it. I hope the independents eat their lunch. if i were a film buff that hadn't been working in the industry for decades i would agree. 100% but speaking as someone who has put food on the table and paid the bills doing behind the scenes work in the film industry since the late ‘80s. ...but has zero interest in watching any of it as far as i can possibly avoid it... i don’t wanna see the independents eat the majors lunches. i just wanna see the major studios forced to share their lunch money a little more equitably. if the independents eat the majors lunches, they will inevitably become the exact same fat cunts as the majors. the major studios are the only reason it is possible for us pricks on the factory floor to work on a regular basis and earn a living wage. nope, they definitely aint perfect. but i’d rather work on a shitty well funded big studio backed production, than a cool independent production every single time. its not even a close contest. nope. the vast majority of independent films are dismal work places for behind the scenes people. i avoid them like the fucking plague as much as i possibly can. yes, many of them are lovely caring creative folk…until it comes to their precious ‘project’. then you see their true selves. you know, the types that would happily have people work around the clock with little to no safety measures for little to no pay and then try to sell it to you as being artistically fulfilling. thats them. artistically fulfilling doesn’t pay any fucking bills or put food on the fucking table. i'll tell you that for nothing. working on independent films is strictly for fan boys and sucks. just saying. fuck them and everything they stand for. RedLetterMedia had a good take on old vs current creative industry dynamics. The old industry had detached bigwigs who didn't give a shit about what was being made as long is it made them a shitload of cash and this was decided by reputation amongst the creators, which in many ways was more liberating model. Now there seems to be some sort of focus-grouped, ESG-driven "creative vision" bullshit at the top and it drips its poison into the work of every venture.
I hear you about independents making work harder, but compare the per-film quality of an up-and-coming studio like A24 to any of the majors and you realise how sclerotic the majors' elites have become. This is prime condition for a coup and if they don't have any defence against it then I don't have any sympathy. I do have sympathy for all the workers, but this is just the nature of things. Your elite decays and your civilisation crumbles.
The sheer volume of zero-margin shit being pumped out by means of streaming and so on and the size of the industry required to sustain this endeavour is absurd. There's more than anyone can watch, most of it is dreck, everything is passed through this unnecessary, expensive effects mill instead of even attempting to get shots in camera with locations and props. This is so much like the '70s and the disintegration of the existing studio system in favour of firebrands like Scorcese, Coppola and so on, especially with the way new, cheap tech has democratised the production process. The thing that will rise in the wake of this is cause for hope.
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jul 18, 2023 4:19:59 GMT
The sheer volume of zero-margin shit being pumped out by means of streaming and so on and the size of the industry required to sustain this endeavour is absurd. There's more than anyone can watch, most of it is dreck,
I think viewers quickly wised up to this. People are dumb.... but not that dumb. Plop down to watch some random Netflix and get insulted to your face a few times with mincethick dogshit and you soon become wary when scrolling. "Most of this is just insulting derivative landfill for the brain. Scroll, scroll....."
NetFlix soon became a laughing stock for having content for contents sake. These days most people seem to wait for a good review/recommendation before wading into the briny bile of interacting with, as you say, "zero-margin shit". |
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Post by Ladyfingers on Jul 18, 2023 4:41:14 GMT
The sheer volume of zero-margin shit being pumped out by means of streaming and so on and the size of the industry required to sustain this endeavour is absurd. There's more than anyone can watch, most of it is dreck,
I think viewers quickly wised up to this. People are dumb.... but not that dumb. Plop down to watch some random Netflix and get insulted to your face a few times with mincethick dogshit and you soon become wary when scrolling. "Most of this is just insulting derivative landfill for the brain. Scroll, scroll....."
NetFlix soon became a laughing stock for having content for contents sake. These days most people seem to wait for a good review/recommendation before wading into the briny bile of interacting with, as you say, "zero-margin shit". I believe the hope here was in the "long tail" model where everyone has different tastes so create as much niche shit as possible and the algorithm will direct everyone to their most suitable product. To an extent this works, but most people tend to watch anything if it's good, and good stuff is always the exception, not the rule.
We are in a civilisation-ending moment where the denial of quality in favour of industrialised quantity is making literally everything worse. Our food is chemical slop full of endocrine disruptors and obesogens, everything is designed to be disposable instead of repairable and our art is pumped out with all the finesse of a diarrhoea fart.
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Post by fuckface on Jul 18, 2023 6:15:40 GMT
ok. we talking about the same thing, but from diametrically different perspectives. i’m looking at this purely out of self interest as someone who’s lively hood is directly in the firing line. i turn sixty fucking one this year. the finish line is in sight (retirement, not death (so much). i’ve done over 30yrs hard grind on the shop floor and just need to stay on the treadmill for another 3 or 4 yrs to fall over the line. i left school at 16 and fucked around on the dole playing in shitty bands and doing menial dead end no future jobs for over ten years before i accidentally fell into my current gig at 28 yrs old. 33yrs later, i've done alright, sure, but i’m a one trick pony without a fallback option. also i’m behind where i need to be to retire...and believe me i really do want to retire. my body is wearing out and besides that, i find it increasingly difficult to look like i give a fuck…and i do have to at least try to look like i give a fuck at work, whether the thing i’m might be the greatest thing ever made or the worst. i still need to be professional and do the job to the best of my ability. i’ve worked in 9 countries on over 50 feature films, some mega streaming tv things and a bunch of other shit. sounds great maybe(?) but it has taken a toll. i know i don’t have many shows left in me. i just need the status quo to hold for few more years  |
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jul 18, 2023 6:34:18 GMT
the finish line is in sight (retirement, not death (so much). 
Srsly though, you'll prolly retire, get bored shitless, miss your exciting globetrotting job and the glamour of it all and unretire and go back to work. Don't most retirees end up doing that? There's probably a statistic for that sort of shit..... |
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Post by fuckface on Jul 18, 2023 6:38:23 GMT
the finish line is in sight (retirement, not death (so much).
Srsly though, you'll prolly retire, get bored shitless, miss your exciting globetrotting job and the glamour of it all and unretire and go back to work. Don't most retirees end up doing that? There's probably a statistic for that sort of shit..... not even one percent chance. i excel at doing nothing. i spent a lot of time on the dole when i left school. i can do nothing and not get bored. but i also got like a hundred personal projects i]ve had on hold for ever that i need to do before i do fucking die, so yeah, nah. |
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jul 18, 2023 6:51:43 GMT
All false modesty aside, I also am something of a master craftsman at this most divine of pursuits. 100 is a bit OTT. 60 is enough.  |
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jul 18, 2023 7:12:05 GMT
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Post by sukebegg on Jul 18, 2023 14:17:40 GMT
FF: Yeah, it's like can't this crazy fucked-up planet just hold it together, like a FEW more years. My wife is already "retired" at 61 but we are going to need revenue streams moving forward so...Plus, big plus, my field of translation will surely be devoured by AI in a few years, so I need another stream to piss in meself...I'm sure I can do something else...English tea...tea....tea...  JK! I will do whatever it takes to stay alive but that market will be drying up in stagflation- probably headed to recession - Japan Of course, when I retire, I will finally be able to pen the great ex-pat novel of Generation X. And culture is already stuck in a cycle of continuous diminishing returns, with comics/superhero movies as the most glaring example. They truly appeal to/capture two generations, if not three now, ensuring the need to not only continue to pump and expand the genre but also to continuously amplify it over it's previous iteration. Downscaling, slowing the pace of development, spreading the wealth a bit more evenly just absolutely does not compute in the minds of profit-chasing execs... |
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jul 18, 2023 21:52:00 GMT
My wife is already "retired" Not anymore she's not  |
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Post by fuckface on Jul 19, 2023 8:47:30 GMT
FF: Yeah, it's like can't this crazy fucked-up planet just hold it together, like a FEW more years. My wife is already "retired" at 61 but we are going to need revenue streams moving forward so...Plus, big plus, my field of translation will surely be devoured by AI in a few years, so I need another stream to piss in meself...I'm sure I can do something else...English tea...tea....tea... JK! I will do whatever it takes to stay alive but that market will be drying up in stagflation- probably headed to recession - Japan Of course, when I retire, I will finally be able to pen the great ex-pat novel of Generation X. wish you the best of luck reaching your retirement writing goals skubee. but alas even if the translation thing goes ai, i'm sure a well educated resourceful fellow such as yourself can find a niche that the bots can't master for awhile yet... i too need an alternative income stream, but me, i got no other tricks up my sleeve. no edumacation to speak of, no qualifications to offer perspective employers. nothing. my job in film isn't relevant to anything in the real world and before i fell into film world i worked a series of unskilled low paying crappy jobs like being on the end of a jackhammer for a road gang, working on conveyor belt lines in various rundown shithole factories and mixing mud and throwing bricks around for grumpy bricklayers on building sites. i aint never going back to any of that shit...even if i could at my age. i've always been well and truly on the 'work to live' side of things as opposed to the 'live to work' types as a lot of film people tend to be. i won't miss it when i do retire. i've as far as i'm concerned its just a way to make a living and like all jobs it has its pluses and minuses and i certainly can do without the long hours and sheer fucking whimsy of the industry. anywayz, i just self indulgently rambling now. i'm off to kill myself...  ...joking >>> i'm fucking joking ok! |
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Post by Sprague Dawley on Jul 19, 2023 9:43:56 GMT
Only one thing for it... We all knew it would come to this...
IT'S TIME TO SELL YOUR BODY TO THE NIGHT.
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Post by beta on Jul 20, 2023 5:32:29 GMT
Last time I looked Hollywood films are the USA's number one export. I reckon that there will be a lot of pressure to settle. I am, however, usually wrong and out -of-date.
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Post by sukebegg on Jul 20, 2023 12:50:22 GMT
Only one thing for it... We all knew it would come to this...
IT'S TIME TO SELL YOUR BODY TO THE NIGHT.
I'm in shape. If I have to lower myself to appearing in JAV Jukujo vids, well shoganai ne? ne? ne? |
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Post by fuckface on Jul 21, 2023 6:51:59 GMT
Last time I looked Hollywood films are the USA's number one export. I reckon that there will be a lot of pressure to settle. I am, however, usually wrong and out -of-date. true, but like the titan sub, pressure is on all sides...and the weakest will break first. the big studios have a lot more resources and can ride it out for a lot longer than your average film worker, thats f'sure. 2008 writers strike took over 3 months to resolve, but affected most workers for considerably longer, because it takes time to put the wheels in motion again once the machine has ground to a halt. it also played a big part in the rise of reality tv because its cheap and easy to make without unionised involvement. definitely not a win there. not expecting this one to go to well either, unless the rank and file members are prepared to tough it out for however long it takes to get a good settlement. as opposed to any bad settlements they will be offered early on, or to save face. it would take six months minimum before the big studios start to run low on their stockpiles of yet to be released content...in the mean time they play hardball while waiting for hard times to bite on studio workers and their families thus breaking the unions resolve....thats the way these things tend to go, isn't it? |
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