Post by Sprague Dawley on Apr 10, 2023 5:41:58 GMT
Just found out about "Canadian Noise Rock Legends" METZ.
Late to the party ffs, their 1st album was in 2008.
"Like the Jesus Lizard meets Sonic Youth meets Nirvana".
Sounds like my thing.
Yeah kind of sounds like that but too fast and formless to fit that description but... but.... I think I might be too old for Metz. A horrible feeling. Please don't tell me new Noise Rock doesnt click with me anymore....
1 Ryuichi Sakamoto- B-2 Unit 2 COWPERS 4giga 3 ZENI GEVA- Desire For Agony 4 ZENI GEVA- Freedom Bondage 5 YMO – Technodelic 6 ZENI GEVA- 10,000 Light Years 7 Blood Thirsty Butchers-I'm Standing Nowhere 8 fOUL-the 5th one 9 BORIS absolutego 10 BORIS amplifier worship
So...I saw Boris in Hiroshima...on a Monday night in a small club. Didn't think they would open and got there a little late. Not really feeling their current thang - the drummer shaking bells and crooning up front. Guitarist MFer set up all those pedals to open? Damn. It was part of a weeklong 30th anniversary for Misery Records, a HC punk shop here run by a Japanese HC legend, Guy, who was in Gudon... www.diskshop-misery.com/ One of Boris is originally from Hiroshima and grew up on Gudon, so that's why they played...and opened. I split halfway through the Gudon reunion set and went to the Ramonesy punk shop where I mostly hang out when in town. The owner said, "It wasn't the real Gudon, just a cover band with Guy singing..." I shopped at Misery when I first visited Hiroshima in 1999, and then a bit when I first lived there. Mostly chatted with his wife but Guy was super cool once I met him but never got to know him well. I was stoked to be able to help them celebrate.
And, no about Disc Union in Hiroshima. Never has been. There was a local used chain called Groovin that dominated - they had about four or five shops, not very large, spread out around Hiroshima in the early 2000's that slowly dwindled. No idea about them now...
So...I saw Boris in Hiroshima...on a Monday night in a small club. Didn't think they would open and got there a little late. Not really feeling their current thang -
Yeah not a fan when they stray from Doom.
Gave their new one "W" a listen, totally not my thing.
Their only non-doom one I had that I liked was this 7"
I'll post some photos of Boris later, and some other little local show in a glasses shop right on the main Hondori shopping mall/street. Had a funny conversation at the uchiage for another local show. I was certain I heard a young dude say "Academy Fight Song" clearly a few times so a little later, I asked him, "I heard you say 'Academy Fight Song'?" Dude: "Yeah, you know them?" "I know the song...Mission of Burma? (get the katkana going) misshon obu baruma?? Bosuton?? '80 nendai no posuto panku?" Genuine blank stare.
I have a bit of a ska problem, it's true. I was born in 1975 so early in high school, early 90s, ska was this like... unknown thing. Maybe someone's older brother had seen the English Beat. It really reminds me of a time of being young and finding this cool underground exciting confusing thing. Punk was in there too, for sure, but for whatever reason once I heard older punk I pretty much moved on. Same with ska in a lot of ways, but there is just a certain era that I call 2.5 wave ska, the real weirdos who were doing is like 89-91, that's some weird shit and I hold a very soft spot in my heart for it.
I'm not saying it's GOOD. I'm saying it touches a part of my brain that nothing else can.
A recent purchase was the Gangbusters 1990 recorded recently released self-titled LP. You can hear "Bad Attitude" from the California Ska-Quake comp on youtube if you so desire, that's what I first heard.
Ahahah I had totally forgotten about that Police Squad scene! I was born in 1965 so I ended up a new waver in 7-8th grade, grooving on Devo and Two-Tone ska and looking for skinny ties at the Goodwill. I guess it was some early hipster validation to see stuff like that Police Squad scene or Elvis Costello or The Specials on SNL. An FU to my older bro's dinosaur-rock tastes...
i have a big ska problem. 97% of it is rubbish, innit?
The OG ska doesn't even get a pass? '60s Jamaican is pretty amazing straight thru ska, rock steady, reggae and dub. I just wish that this S/T had been as played as much as Marley's "Legend" in dorm rooms and "Reggae" beach bars across the lands...
Nice one, sukebe, my old band used to cover The Riffs "Blind Date." I think we just thought it was funny?
I have hung on to a $1 copy of Crazy 8's Nervous In Suburbia that I grabbed ages ago and every decade I look at it and go, hmm, this still looks kind of interesting, then I play some of it and go oh well, back on the shelf you go.
I liked the one you posted okay. I am a sucker for a lot of similar stuff, Maroon Town, The Braces, Mr. Review... I'm hesitant to put these other bands in the same category because I think they're more interesting and better but probably Let's Go Bowling, Bim Skala Bim, Gangster Fun are similarly of that weird middle era.
Not exactly that but related, still a sucker for that rare thing that is pretty ska without being like "SKA!" Here's a good example: The Toys - Go To The Police www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4gLo1cF224
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Maybe I mentioned it here before but I ended up seeing The Toasters, more than once actually. I think the first time was just random but my roommate had his gf visiting for a weekend so this became an in-joke anthem:
The band was from NYC- saw them around '86-87...
Here's Boris with Guy of Japanese HC fame on bass doing a Gudon song (from a flexidisc mais oui)
And here's the scene at Mooney's on St. Paddys (sound is off)
first time i ever heard roadrunner was on the great rock 'n roll swindle soundtrack 2xlp which i played the fuck out of for about three months in '79 and have never listened to since. yet still cannot hear it without thinking of j.rotten's whole 'i dunno the words...how's it start...i can't hear you paul' bit at the start in my head
first time i ever heard roadrunner was on the great rock 'n roll swindle soundtrack 2xlp which i played the fuck out of for about three months in '79 and have never listened to since. yet still cannot hear it without thinking of j.rotten's whole 'i dunno the words...how's it start...i can't hear you paul' bit at the start in my head
Ha! I never owned Never Mind the Bollocks but also bought this in '79 - the single LP version. www.discogs.com/release/927533-Sex-Pistols-The-Great-Rock-N-Roll-Swindle Such an odd mix of tunes with Eddie Cochran covers and weird-ass Ten Pole Tudor vocals. I still prefer The Professionals to the Pistols actually...
The Toasters in a way really lucked out, I think. They were started by a British guy, Bucket, who I would say certainly fit the category of holding on to that 2nd wave era and starting a ska band in the mid-late 80s in NY, ran Moon records and really laid the foundation for the blow up of 3rd wave ska -- like the 5 active bands that defined it at the time were all on that label, Hepcat, Let's Go Bowling, The Slackers, Dance Hall Crashers, and to a lesser extent, the Skunks, New York Citizens.
When ska kind of hit, in this author's opinion they realized, we can sell ANYTHING. They went from what seemed like to me a small roster of mostly good or at least established and experienced bands to throwing out hundreds of shitty CDs of every single ska band that popped up anywhere.
The downfall of ska was 1) it's too specific, it's always going to be a brief burst of popularity which means when that burst is over it easy for it to look dated and dumb in hindsight and 2) Moon absolutely flooded the market so when a lot of people heard "ska" they figured that meant primarily something like Mustard Plug (although actually not a Moon band) 3) this coincided with a larger shift in music consumption I'm not about to really summarize here but something between online pirating and streaming and the way stores and distributors work with a return policy (they suddenly remembered there technically was one on unopened and unsold merch) -- Moon had sent out this way over-expanded catalog that they physically manufactured and it all literally started showing up back to them in droves combined with 4) the mainstream representation of ska was terrible -- no way a band like Hepcat or Let's Go Bowling was going to get to represent that. Rancid, "Time Bomb?" Not bad, pretty fair actually. After that? No Doubt? They WERE ska but.... Goldfinger? Reel Big Fish? Most bands by the time they were on a label and/or any MTV play were more "started as" ska OR even in the relative underground that sound based on, no names named, power chords, super fast offbeats and power brass really took over.
3rd wave ska's brief flirtation with mainstream popularity came at a bad time and was poorly represented so while most of those bands are indeed worthless I feel like it really gets an undeservedly extra bad rap that hurts the bands that were earlier and actually impressive and cool.
The Toasters have a LOT of records and they started sounding phoned in like 10 of them ago. But they still tour and I'd still like seeing them. It's pretty much just Bucket and some guys, although the lineup was always pretty unstable.
What is Mooney's?
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I couldn't abide that whole Less Than Jake speedy ska/punk style but had the absolute best times at ska shows. Let's Go Bowling, Bad Manners, Fishbone and especially Skankin Pickle.
first time i ever heard roadrunner was on the great rock 'n roll swindle soundtrack 2xlp which i played the fuck out of for about three months in '79 and have never listened to since. yet still cannot hear it without thinking of j.rotten's whole 'i dunno the words...how's it start...i can't hear you paul' bit at the start in my head
Ha! I never owned Never Mind the Bollocks but also bought this in '79 - the single LP version. www.discogs.com/release/927533-Sex-Pistols-The-Great-Rock-N-Roll-Swindle Such an odd mix of tunes with Eddie Cochran covers and weird-ass Ten Pole Tudor vocals. I still prefer The Professionals to the Pistols actually...
i liked the professionals too, but thought that they shoulda only put out singles and given the albums a miss.
r'nr swindle an odd mix of tunes?...bit of an understatement i'd say old chap. but it kinda marked the end of the og punk rock era when it was still an attitude thing rather than a genre thing...and thus all that weird shit mixed in together seemingly at random, made sense to me at the time.
by 1980, while there was still plenty of good shit coming out. there was definitely a point around then, where it became more of a genre thing that the record companies worked out how to market and could now be filed away in handy, new wave/post punk/hardcore sections.
...don't get me started on the rise of alt rock, digital tech and the fucken internet....
A punk LP is a tall order. How many punk LPs would be better as 1 killer 7?"
A whole LP of thrash an even tougher ask. I can only think of "Nothing To Nothing" by TEAR IT UP which qualifies and even that one took the foot off the pedal a couple of times.
It has been quite the enduring musical genre/subculture for all it's limitations but the good-time jump around dance party music aspect helped in it's being co-opted I suppose. No Doubt was indeed a ska band for many years because I remember them on bills around LA since the late '80s, them and The Donkeys, but I never saw them in that incarnation. Fishbone also deserves a lot of credit for incorporating ska into a wider truly fusion style and surely inspired many in the second and after waves...
Mooney's is a local Irish Bar here in Sai Gon - located in the Backpacker Area and the proprietor, seen at the end, is indeed Irish. They have a lot of live music there but that was my first time there.
Ha! I never owned Never Mind the Bollocks but also bought this in '79 - the single LP version. www.discogs.com/release/927533-Sex-Pistols-The-Great-Rock-N-Roll-Swindle Such an odd mix of tunes with Eddie Cochran covers and weird-ass Ten Pole Tudor vocals. I still prefer The Professionals to the Pistols actually...
i liked the professionals too, but thought that they shoulda only put out singles and given the albums a miss.
r'nr swindle an odd mix of tunes?...bit of an understatement i'd say old chap. but it kinda marked the end of the og punk rock era when it was still an attitude thing rather than a genre thing...and thus all that weird shit mixed in together seemingly at random, made sense to me at the time.
by 1980, while there was still plenty of good shit coming out. there was definitely a point around then, where it became more of a genre thing that the record companies worked out how to market and could now be filed away in handy, new wave/post punk/hardcore sections.
...don't get me started on the rise of alt rock, digital tech and the fucken internet....
What's wrong with the Internet??? There's a question AI can't/won't answer...(That's AI not AL Gore, although he might have a good answer!)
Actually, I was listening to both Professionals albums the other day and thought, yeah, there's a lot of duds but the hits are so good. "Join the Professionals" was one of the first punk songs I heard, so a lot of sentimental value I suppose.
By 1981, I was in ninth grade, hormones a-poppin divorce family latchkey kid suburban angst, so hardcore was a no-brainer for me. But after burning out on that, I started to dig into all the musical goodness my immature tastes had excluded...
Nothing to do with punk really and even though I was straight edge (until 21!), this movie is great at capturing the above-mentioned angst and I definitely knew kids straight out of this scene...
